| 04.12.2014 | Àðõèâíîå âîçðîæäåíèå - èíòåðâüþ æóðíàëó The Aquarian Weekly |

 ïðåääâåðèè âûõîäà ðåìàñòåð-ïåðåèçäàíèé ïåðâûõ ÷åòûðåõ àëüáîìîâ, à òàê æå ïðåäñòîÿùåãî òóðà ïî ÑØÀ àìåðèêàíñêèé æóðíàë The Aquarian Weekly âçÿë èíòåðâüþ ó ñîëèñòà ãðóïïû, â êîòîðîì Âàëî ïîâåäàë î ïóòåøåñòâèÿõ â Êèòàé, èñòîðèè ñîçäàíèÿ íåêîòîðûõ áîíóñ-òðåêîâ ñ âûõîäÿùèõ ïåðåèçäàíèé, à òàê æå î ìíîãîì äðóãîì. Ïåðåâîä èíòåðâüþ ïëàíèðóåì äîáàâèòü â áëèæàéøåì áóäóùåì.
Most rock bands today are experiencing downsized sales, which has transformed touring into an essential revenue generator. Dark rockers HIM are no strangers to globetrotting, although their recent tour for last year's hard rocking Tears On Tape album has been pretty epic, spanning a year and a half across Europe, North and South America, Australia, and for the first time ever, China. It all wraps up with eight dates in the U.S. this month and then the Helldone Festival in Helsinki on New Year's Eve.
There is still some retail life left for the Finnish group. The band's current Love Metal Archives Tour celebrates the forthcoming CD and vinyl box set reissues of the group's first four albums—Greatest Love Songs Vol. 666, their international breakthrough Razorblade Romance, Deep Shadows And Brilliant Highlights, and the seminal Love Metal—that includes extra live tracks, outtakes, and acoustic versions. Beyond their eight studio albums, they have unleashed a treasure trove of B-sides, remixes, and live tracks over the last 15 years, making them one of the most collectible modern rock bands and one that hardcore fans still buy religiously.
Prior to their forthcoming U.S. tour, HIM frontman Ville Valo called the Aquarian from Finland to discuss the tour, archival reissues, and musical philosophy. Valo is always down-to-earth, charming, and funny. He never takes himself too seriously, even when delivering his melancholic lyrics onstage.
A: You guys are touring like mad lately. Didn't you go to China this year?
V: We've actually been twice. The craziest thing happened when we went there for the first time—I think it was April this year. We were booked for two festivals. We flew in, and it was kind of culture shock. It's an interesting place and very few people could put together a sentence in English. I'm not saying we are good, but definitely in that country the communication was super, super tough, to be understood and so forth. We went to the first festival [in Shanghai] and all of a sudden people said that we can't play. Or we can only play three songs or don't play at all. We just flew 10 hours, and we're supposed to be playing a one-hour set, so what the hell is going on? Nobody told us what was going on. We couldn't understand anything, and then with a bit of bargaining we were able to play like six songs, then they threw us off the stage.
V: Later on we heard that they had supposedly oversold the festival, and they had some hassle with people trying to get out from the festival and into the festival. Nobody got hurt, but the situation was supposedly pretty serious. We said to ourselves we have one more gig, so we flew over to Beijing, then 20 minutes before the gig a massive sandstorm hit the festival that tore up the main stages including the roof. We were like, what the hell? We had traveled all in all five days, and we were able to play five songs. We were laughing about it. It was like 8,000 miles and one song per day. It was crazy. We so felt bad about it also because it seemed that there were people who enjoyed our band, enjoyed the music, and knew who we were, so we thought we could make it up and play over there again. We did a festival in September, and I was hoping we would be playing club shows to avoid the sandstorms. We played one club show that went perfectly, then another festival which went down A-OK as well. I can't complain. It's been quite an adventurous year, especially when it comes to HIM and China.
A: You still have some very devoted fans after all these years. Many of them throw things on stage for you, whether it's T-shirts, letters, or poetry.
V: The poetry is great. That's my main basis for the lyrics for the next album. I have a good selection thanks to everybody who's educated me while on tour. I think a band cannot choose their fans, and you can't choose whether you have fans or you're going to be entertaining or lovable to anybody. You try to do what makes you feel good inside and what makes you forget about the shit in the world, the everyday stuff. It is escapism to a certain extent, yet at the same time it's escapism towards your own truth about the world, so to speak. To somehow do something that resonates with people across the globe is amazing, and it feels strong yet at the same time a fragile connection that you don't want to think about too much because you're afraid you're going to break it. It feels like that T'Pau song from the '80s, "China In Your Hand." It's pretty but it's so fragile. You're glad that you have the experience, but you don't want to overdo it or try to figure out what's behind it, what makes the magic happen. I do enjoy [David] Copperfield, but I'm sure that he would be way more boring if we know exactly how he does his shit. Or Criss Angel.
A: There's only so much you want to know about somebody anyway, right?
V: Tell me about it! At the end of the day, people are boring. I don't like to think that Leonardo da Vinci farts smelled wonderful, you know? Everybody has their hidden sides and their boring aspects and their shithead aspects. Nobody's just nice and beautiful and wonderful and intelligent 24/7. When it comes to the rock 'n' roll world, Dave Grohl is probably the closest, but I'm sure that he could be a bastard as well if he really puts his heart and soul and mind into it.
A: In preparing these album reissues, did you go through a lot of live tracks?
V: Yes and no. I don't think there's a lot. For the first album, it was troublesome trying to find any interesting stuff. Originally, the label was asking for a few tracks that had been released over in Europe already a while back as part of the compilation we had over here. I said if we have the opportunity, the possibility, and the time, I'd rather scour through my archives and hard drives to find stuff that hasn't been released before full stop because I think it makes it more interesting. I don't [know] if you have heard, but on albums like Love Metal, the demos are great. We did them with the same producer, and they came out really good. They're rocking and super heavy and super grungy.
V: I was trying to get eight tracks for a bonus disc that would be something that hadn't been released before for each and every album. For the first album it was tough to find any because at that time people didn't record demos so much on Pro Tools. I was trying to find shitty old cassettes, and I wasn't able to find that much stuff unfortunately, so the bonus tracks are live tracks from radio that haven't been released before. You can't have it all.
A: So the other albums include a lot of demos and live tracks?
V: I think most of them are outtakes. We've never been one of those bands that would record 37 different songs and pick the best 12 for an album and then release a few as B-sides and just leave the rest somewhere. It's usually quite the opposite. We always write a bit less then we have to add some. We've always had that thing where we hone into details on less amount of songs because it takes its own time. You have to live with the songs. At least for us it's not a fast process. That made it hard to try to find anything super new, but there are few things, including a couple of new acoustic versions I did. I recorded them over Easter. One of them is "The Heartless," and the other one is probably "The Sacrament." I did them in my kitchen during Easter just with a laptop, Pro Tools, a couple of preamps, amplifiers, and effects boxes. It was nice to do something new as well. But it's still about those songs, so in that sense there are not going to be a lot of super surprising things. We didn't go into the studio and rerecord anything or make a reggae version of the whole first album.
V: I did Brian Eno-y, atmospheric stuff with the vocals. I wanted to keep it really plain because especially with a song like "The Heartless," which is one of the oldest songs. I wrote it back in '91 or '92, and we haven't played it live in a long, long time. It was nice to go back and play them with an acoustic guitar so many years later. It's interesting how through music you can feel exactly the way you felt when you were a bit younger. You can feel exactly all the emotions.
V: You can do the same when you're a fan. For me, I started to relive through some Soundgarden stuff for some reason. I had listened to any of their stuff in ages, then I started listening to Superunknown, which wasn't my favorite album but brought tears into my eyes, so many memories good and bad. Good music is a milestone and deserves a chapter in everybody's sonic diary. It's interesting how a couple of chords and a couple of lyrics can all of a sudden transform the world around you and the world inside you.
A: Was it interesting to go back to fully revisit the albums? Or do you listen to them enough already?
V: Terrible (chuckles). It was funny listening to the B-side stuff because it was more creative. There was a lot of stuff that I hadn't heard in many, many years. I felt like a sonic Indiana Jones because I had to look through all the nooks and crannies for any special stuff. But the actual albums I've heard so many times, and songs like "Your Sweet Six Six Six"—to be honest, it was killing me. I play those live. To go back to the first album, all I hear are the mistakes. I also had to listen to them with an analytical mind, so to speak, because I had to listen to the masters [to make sure] they were technically correct, if they had too much top end or whatnot, so it wasn't just enjoyable in that sense. And because there was some hassle at the vinyl pressing plant, I don't have the test pressings. I actually haven't heard the final cuts, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed, and I'm ready to get violent if they don't sound right. I'm sure they will be good.
A: I heard that Bam Margera, who directed HIM videos during the Love Metal era and championed HIM heavily when you first came to America, posted a drunken video rant online, a sort of video letter to you that was later taken down.
V: Yeah, I heard about it. I don't know what it was. It was some drunken "why can't we be friends?" type of thing. The last time I saw Bam we played a festival in England during the summer, and he was great. [Skater Brandon] Novak was there. It was nice sitting down because we hadn't had the time. Bam was in Iceland for a long time, and he was working on his own stuff. We had been touring and never had our paths cross along the way, so in the past five years we've only seen each other maybe three or four times. We used to be like brothers and hang out all the time. Obviously it's odd, but once again that's how life treats you. I'm not disappointed or feeling bad about it. It was good seeing him again. Maybe he's going to be around for the tour and we'll be able to say hi and hang.
A: You're planning on working on new music early next year after you take a break from this tour. I've been wondering what your next album might be like, and I think it would be cool to do something radically different. HIM obviously has an established sound that people really love, but at the same time you personally have worked with everyone from Finnish folk musicians to pop singers to black metal bands. I'm wondering what other kind of influences you could bring in. Would you worry about straying too far from the sound you've established?
V: No, I think that all rock bands want to create their Back In Black, something that's perfect and says it in so very few chords and few elements and says everything there is to say about rock music or whatever. The perfect album about everything that you're trying to put together. We're looking for the perfect song produced in the perfect way for ourselves, so our identity as individuals and as a group would come through. I think we're still searching. Love Metal was pretty close, and there are some cool things about each and every album. It would be nice to do an album that would be even more rough around the edges, more live, more punky. The guys in the band are really good players.
V: Remember Jane's Addiction—the first album was half studio, half live. A lot of bands used to do that in the '70s. Neil Young was doing that. You get a really cool vibe during a gig and record all the gigs on tour, then you go back and figure out what's the special evening where the songs are really working. Then you might record some backing vocals on top of it. It's like a Frankenstein monster—it's not a live thing, it's not a studio thing, it's somewhere in between. When it really works you get the best of both worlds—you get ear candy and the finesse from the studio record, yet at the same time you get the rough around the edges, punky, snot running down your face kind of a thing that you can't get in the studio. Something like that would be miraculous. I don't know how people would react to it, but at the end of the day it's always like playing Russian roulette.
Áîëüøèíñòâî ðîê-ãðóïï ñåé÷àñ èñïûòûâàþò óìåíüøåíèå ïðîäàæ, ÷òî ïðåâðàòèëî ãàñòðîëè â âàæíûé èñòî÷íèê äîõîäà. Ìðà÷íûì ðîêåðàì HIM íå ïðèâûêàòü ê ïóòåøåñòâèÿì, õîòÿ èõ íåäàâíèé òóð ñ àëüáîìîì Tears on Tape áûë äîñòàòî÷íî ýïè÷íûì – çà ïîëòîðà ãîäà îõâàòèë Åâðîïó, Ñåâåðíóþ è Þæíóþ Àìåðèêó, Àâñòðàëèþ è, âïåðâûå çà âñå âðåìÿ, Êèòàé. Îí çàâåðøèòñÿ ïîñëå âîñüìè êîíöåðòîâ â ÑØÀ â ýòîì ìåñÿöå è âûñòóïëåíèÿ íà ôåñòèâàëå Helldone â Õåëüñèíêè â íîâîãîäíþþ íî÷ü.
Íî ó ôèíñêîé ãðóïïû åñòü è êîå-÷òî åùå íà ïðîäàæó. Ïðåäñòîÿùèé Love Metal Archives òóð ïîñâÿùåí ïåðåâûïóñêó íà CD è âèíèëå ïåðâûõ ÷åòûðåõ àëüáîìîâ ãðóïïû - Greatest Love Songs Vol. 666, èõ ìåæäóíðîäíûé ïðîðûâ Razorblade Romance, Deep Shadows And Brilliant Highlights, è Love Metal – ÷òî âêëþ÷àåò â ñåáÿ çàïèñè æèâûõ âûñòóïëåíèé, è àêóñòè÷åñêèå âåðñèè. Êðîìå èõ âîñüìè ñòóäèéíûõ àëüáîìîâ ó ãðóïïû íàêîïèëñÿ êëàä áè-ñàéäîâ, ðåìèêñîâ è æèâûõ òðåêîâ çà ïîñëåäíèå 15 ëåò, ÷òî äåëàåò ãðóïïó îäíîé èç ñàìûõ êîëëåêöèîíèðóåìûõ ðîê-ãðóïï, âåäü ïðåäàííûå ôàíàòû ãîòîâû ïîêóïàòü âåñü ñòàôô.
Ïåðåä ïðåäñòîÿùèì òóðíå ïî ÑØÀ ôðîíòìåí HIM Âèëëå Âàëî ñâÿçàëñÿ ñ The Aquarian, ÷òîáû îáñóäèòü òóð, àðõèâíûå ïåðåèçäàíèÿ è ìóçûêàëüíóþ ôèëîñîôèþ. Âàëî, êàê âñåãäà, ïðîñòîé, îáàÿòåëüíûé è ñìåøíîé. Íèêîãäà íå ïðèíèìàåò ñåáÿ ñëèøêîì ñåðüåçíî, äàæå êîãäà äîíîñèò äî ñëóøàòåëÿ ñâîþ ìåëàíõîëè÷íóþ ëèðèêó íà ñöåíå.
A:Ïàðíè, â ïîñëåäíåå âðåìÿ âû ãàñòðîëèðóåòå êàê ñóìàñøåäøèå. Â Êèòàå-òî åùå íå áûëè?
V:Ìû óæå áûëè òàì äâàæäû. Êîãäà ìû ïîåõàëè òóäà âïåðâûå – äóìàþ, ýòî áûë àïðåëü, ïðîèçîøëà ñóìàñøåäøàÿ âåùü. Ìû áûëè ïðèãëàøåíû íà äâà ôåñòèâàëÿ. Ìû ïðèëåòåëè è èñïûòàëè íå÷òî âðîäå êóëüòóðíîãî øîêà. Ýòî èíòåðåñíîå ìåñòî è òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ìîãëè ñâÿçàòü ïðåäëîæåíèå íà àíãëèéñêîì. ß íå ãîâîðþ, ÷òî ìû õîðîøè, íî îáùåíèå áûëî î÷åíü, î÷åíü òóãèì ÷òîáû áûòü ïîíÿòûì è òàê äàëåå. Ìû ïîåõàëè íà ïåðâûé ôåñòèâàëü â Øàíõàé è âäðóã âñå ëþäè ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ìû íå ìîæåì èãðàòü. Èëè ìû ìîæåì ñûãðàòü òîëüêî òðè ïåñíè, èëè íå èãðàåì ñîâñåì. Ìû ëåòåëè äåñÿòü ÷àñîâ ðàäè ÷àñîâîãî ñåòà, òàê êàêîãî ÷åðòà çäåñü ïðîèñõîäèò? Íèêòî íå ñêàçàë íàì, â ÷åì äåëî. Ìû íå ìîãëè íè÷åãî ïîíÿòü, íî çàòåì, ïîñëå íåáîëüøèõ ïåðåãîâîðîâ íàì äàëè ñûãðàòü øåñòü ïåñåí, ïîñëå ÷åãî âûäâîðèëè ñî ñöåíû.
V:Ïîçæå ìû óçíàëè, ÷òî îíè ïðîäàëè çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå áèëåòîâ íà ôåñòèâàëü, ÷åì ñëåäîâàëî áû, è áûëè ïðîáëåìû ñ ëþäüìè, êîòîðûå ïûòàëèñü åãî ïîêèíóòü ëèáî, íàîáîðîò, âîéòè. Íèêòî íå ïîñòðàäàë, íî ñèòóàöèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî áûëà ñåðüåçíîé. Ìû ñêàçàëè ñåáå, ÷òî íàñ æäåò åùå îäèí ôåñòèâàëü è ïîëåòåëè â Áåéäæèí, íî çà 20 ìèíóò äî ãèãà ñèëüíûé øòîðì îáðóøèëñÿ áóêâàëüíî íà ãëàâíóþ ñöåíó è ïîâðåäèë äàæå êðûøó. Ìû îïÿòü òàêèå, êàêîãî õðåíà? Ïóòåøåñòâîâàëè ïÿòü äíåé è îòûãðàëè òîëüêî ïÿòü ïåñåí. Êîíå÷íî, ñìåÿëèñü íàä ýòèì. Ýòî êàê 8 òûñÿ÷ ìèëü è îäíà ïåñíÿ â äåíü. Ýòî áûëî äèêî. Ìû ÷óâñòâîâàëè ñåáÿ ïëîõî èç-çà ýòîãî è, òàê êàê êàçàëîñü, ÷òî òàì áûëè ëþäè, êîìó íðàâèòñÿ íàøà ãðóïïà è íàøà ìóçûêà, è êòî çíàåò êòî ìû, ìû ðåøèëè âñå èñïðàâèòü è ïðèåõàòü ñíîâà. Ìû çàïëàíèðîâàëè ôåñòèâàëü íà ñåíòÿáðü è ÿ íàäåÿëñÿ íà êîíöåðòû â êëóáàõ, ÷òîáû èçáåæàòü áóðè. Ìû îòûãðàëè îäèí êîíöåðò â êëóáå è, çàòåì, îäèí ôåñòèâàëü. Íå ìîãó æàëîâàòüñÿ. Ýòî áûëî ñâîåîáðàçíûì ïðèêëþ÷åíèåì ãîäà.
A:Ó âàñ ñòîëüêî ïðåäàííûõ ôàíàòîâ ïîñëå ñòîëüêèõ ëåò. Ìíîãèå èç íèõ áðîñàþò âåùè íà ñöåíó, áóäü òî ôóòáîëêè, ïèñüìà èëè ñòèõè.
V:Ïîýçèÿ ýòî çàìå÷àòåëüíî. Ýòî îñíîâà äëÿ ñëåäóþùåãî àëüáîìà. Èìåþ âîçìîæíîñòü ïîáëàãîäàðèòü âñåõ, êòî îáó÷àë ìåíÿ âî âðåìÿ òóðà. ß äóìàþ, ãðóïïà íå ìîæåò âûáèðàòü ñåáå ôàíàòîâ, è òû íå ìîæåøü âûáðàòü âîîáùå, áóäóò ëè ó òåáÿ ôàíàòû, áóäåøü ëè òû ïðèâëåêàòåëüíûì äëÿ êîãî-ëèáî. Òû ïûòàåøüñÿ äåëàòü òî, ÷òî çàñòàâëÿåò òåáÿ õîðîøî ñåáÿ ÷óâñòâîâàòü èçíóòðè è ÷òî çàñòàâëÿåò çàáûòü î âñåì äåðüìå, ÷òî òâîðèòñÿ â ìèðå, î ïîâñåäíåâíîé ðóòèíå.  íåêîòîðîé ñòåïåíè ýòî áåãñòâî, íî â òî æå âðåìÿ ýòî áåãñòâî ê òâîåé èñòèíå î ìèðå, òàê ñêàçàòü. Äåëàòü ÷òî-òî, íà ÷òî îòçîâóòñÿ ëþäè ïî âñåìó ìèðó ïîòðÿñàþùå, è ýòî êàæåòñÿ ñèëüíûì, íî â òî æå âðåìÿ è õðóïêèì ñîåäèíåíèåì, è òû íå õî÷åøü äóìàòü îá ýòîì ñëèøêîì ìíîãî, òàê êàê áîèøüñÿ ýòî ðàçðóøèòü. Ýòî êàê òà T’Pau ïåñíÿ èç 80õ, “China In Your Hand”. Òû ñ÷àñòëèâ, ÷òî ó òåáÿ åñòü îïûò, íî íå õî÷åøü ïåðåäåëàòü ýòî èëè ïûòàòüñÿ âûÿñíèòü, ÷òî çà ýòèì ñòîèò, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò ñëó÷èòüñÿ âîëøåáñòâó. Ìíå íðàâèòñÿ Êîïïåðôèëüä, íî ÿ óâåðåí, ÷òî îí áûë áû ñêó÷íûì, åñëè áû ìû òî÷íî çíàëè, êàê îí ýòî âñå âûòâîðÿåò. Èëè Êðèññ Ýíäæåë.
A:Òî åñòü, òû õî÷åøü çíàòü òîëüêî ÷àñòü î êîì-òî, âåðíî? (*âîïðîñ äåáèëüíî ñôîðìóëèðîâàí)
V:Ðàññêàæè ìíå îá ýòîì!  êîíöå êîíöîâ, ëþäè ñêó÷íûå. ß íå õî÷ó äóìàòü, ÷òî ïåðäåæ Ëåîíàðäî äà Âèí÷è ïàõ âîñõèòèòåëüíî, ïîíèìàåøü? Ó êàæäîãî åñòü ñâîè ñêðûòûå ñòîðîíû, ñêó÷íûå àñïåêòû è äåðüìîâûå íåäîñòàòêè. Íèêòî íå ìîæåò áûòü ìèëûì, êðàñèâûì, èíòåëëèãåíòíûì è âîñõèòèòåëüíûì 24/7. Åñëè ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ìèðà ðîê-í-ðîëëà, âîçìîæíî, Äåéâ Ãðîë áëèæå âñåãî ê ýòîìó, íî ÿ óâåðåí, ÷òî îí ìîæåò áûòü è çàñðàíöåì, åñëè îí ñòàâèò â ýòî ñâîè ñåðäöå, äóøó è ðàçóì.
A:Ãîòîâÿ ïåðåâûïóñêè ýòèõ àëüáîìîâ, òû ïðîñëóøàë ìíîãî æèâûõ òðåêîâ?
V:È äà è íåò. Íå äóìàþ, ÷òî èõ ìíîãî. Äëÿ ïåðâîãî àëüáîìà áûëî ïðîáëåìàòè÷íî íàéòè áîëåå-ìåíåå èíòåðåñíûé ñòàôô. Ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî ëåéáë ñïðàøèâàë íåñêîëüêî äîðîæåê, óæå âûïóùåííûõ â Åâðîïå. ß ñêàçàë, ÷òî åñëè åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü è âðåìÿ, ÿ áû ëó÷øå ïåðåðûë ñâîè àðõèâû, ÷òîáû íàéòè òî, ÷òî íå áûëî èçäàíî ïðåæäå, ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, ýòî äåëàåò àëüáîìû èíòåðåñíåå. Íå çíàþ, ñëûøàë ëè òû, íî äåìî, íàïðèìåð, íà òðåêè ñ àëüáîìà Love Metal, âåëèêîëåïíû. Ìû çàïèñûâàëè èõ ñ òåì æå ïðîäþñåðîì è âûøëè îíè î÷åíü õîðîøî. Îíè ðîêîâûå, ñóïåð òÿæåëûå è ñóïåð ãðàíæåâûå.
V:ß ïûòàëñÿ âûáðàòü ïî âîñåìü íåèçäàííûõ ðàíåå òðåêîâ äëÿ êàæäîãî àëüáîìà. Äëÿ ïåðâîãî àëüáîìà ýòî áûëî òÿæåëîâàòî, òàê êàê â òî âðåìÿ ëþäè íå çàïèñûâàëè äåìî íà Pro Tools(*ïðîôåññèîíàëüíûé ïðîãðàììíî-àïïàðàòíûé êîìïëåêñ äëÿ ñòóäèéíîé çâóêîçàïèñè). ß ïûòàëñÿ íàéòè äåðüìîâî ñòàðûå êàññåòû, è òàê è íå íàøåë ìíîãèå çàïèñè, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, òàê ÷òî áîíóñ-òðåêàìè áóäóò æèâûå çàïèñè ñ ðàäèî, êîòîðûå ðàíåå íå èçäàâàëèñü.
A:Òàê äðóãèå àëüáîìû ñîäåðæàò ìíîãî äåìî è ëàéâîâ?
V:ß äóìàþ, áîëüøèíñòâî èç íèõ âûïóùåíû. Ìû íèêîãäà íå áûëè ãðóïïîé, êîòîðàÿ çàïèñûâàåò 37 ðàçíûõ ïåñåí, ÷òîáû âûáðàòü èç íèõ 12 äëÿ àëüáîìà, èçäàòü íåñêîëüêî êàê ñèíãëû, à îñòàëüíûå ïðîñòî îñòàâèòü ïûëèòüñÿ. Ýòî, êàê ïðàâèëî, íàîáîðîò. Ìû âñåãäà ïèøåì íåìíîãî ìåíüøå è çàòåì äîëæíû ÷òî-òî äîáàâëÿòü. Ó íàñ åñòü âåùü, è ìû îòòà÷èâàåì åå äî äåòàëåé, òàê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ ìåíüøå ïåñåí, ïîñêîëüêó ýòî çàíèìàåò âðåìÿ. Òû äîëæåí æèòü ñ ïåñíÿìè. Äëÿ íàñ ýòî íå áûñòðûé ïðîöåññ. Ýòî äåëàåò òÿæåëûì ïîèñê ÷åãî-òî ñóïåðíîâîãî, íî âñå æå åñòü íåñêîëüêî âåùåé, âêëþ÷àÿ ïàðó íîâûõ àêóñòè÷åñêèõ âåðñèé, ÷òî ÿ ñäåëàë. ß çàïèñàë èõ ïîñëå Ïàñõè. Îäíà èç íèõ “The Heartless”, âòîðàÿ, âîçìîæíî, “The Sacrament”. ß çàïèñûâàë áóêâàëüíî íà ñâîåé êóõíå íà Ïàñõó, ïðîñòî ñ íîóòáóêîì è Pro Tools, íåñêîëüêèìè óñèëèòåëÿìè è ýôôåêò-áîêñàìè. Áûëî çàáàâíî äåëàòü òàê ÷òî-òî íîâîå. Íî ýòî òîëüêî îá ýòèõ ïåñíÿõ, òàê ÷òî â ýòîì ñìûñëå íå áóäåò íîâûõ ñóïåðóäèâèòåëüíûõ âåùåé. Ìû íå õîäèëè â ñòóäèþ, ÷òîáû çàïèñàòü ÷òî-òî èëè ñäåëàòü ðåããè âåðñèþ ïåðâîãî àëüáîìà.
V:ß äåëàë êàê Áðàéàí Èíî, àòìîñôåðíûå âåùè ñ âîêàëîì. Õîòåë ñäåëàòü èõ äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïðîñòûìè, îñîáåííî ñ ïåñíåé “The Heartless”, òàê êàê îíà îäíà èç ñòàðåéøèõ íàøèõ ïåñåí. ß íàïèñàë åå â 91 èëè 92, è ìû íå èãðàëè åå æèâüåì äîëãîå âðåìÿ. Áûëî çàáàâíî îãëÿíóòüñÿ íàçàä è ñûãðàòü åå íà àêóñòè÷åñêîé ãèòàðå ñòîëüêî ëåò ñïóñòÿ. Ýòî èíòåðåñíî, êàê ÷åðåç ìóçûêó òû ìîæåøü ïî÷óâñòâîâàòü àáñîëþòíî òî æå, ÷òî òû ÷óâñòâîâàë, êîãäà áûë çíà÷èòåëüíî ìîëîæå. Òû ÷óâñòâóåøü àáñîëþòíî âñå ýìîöèè.
V:Òû ìîæåøü ÷óâñòâîâàòü òî æå, åñëè òû ôàíàò. ß íà÷àë ïåðåñëóøèâàòü Soundgarden ïî êàêîé-òî ïðè÷èíå. ß ñëóøàë êàêîé-òî èõ ñòàôô, ïîòîì ÿ íà÷àë ñëóøàòü Superknown, êîòîðûé íèêîãäà íå áûë ìîèì ëþáèìûì àëüáîìîì, íî âûçâàë ñëåçû ó ìåíÿ íà ãëàçàõ, òàê ìíîãî õîðîøèõ è ïëîõèõ âîñïîìèíàíèé. Õîðîøàÿ ìóçûêà çàñëóæèâàåò ãëàâó â çâóêîâîé èñòîðèè êàæäîãî. Ýòî èíòåðåñíî, êàê ïàðà àêêîðäîâ è ñòðîê ìîãóò âíåçàïíî ïðåîáðàçèòü ìèð âîêðóã è âíóòðè òåáÿ.
A:Áûëî èíòåðåñíî âåðíóòüñÿ ê ïåðåñìîòðó àëüáîìîâ? Èëè òû óæå äîñòàòî÷íî íàñëóøàëñÿ?
V:Óæàñíî (ñìååòñÿ). Áûëî çàáàâíî ñëóøàòü áè-ñàéäû, òàê êàê îíè áûëè áîëåå òâîð÷åñêèìè. Áûëî ìíîãî âåùåé, êîòîðûå ÿ íå ñëûøàë ìíîãî ëåò. ×óâñòâîâàë ñåáÿ êàê çâóêîâîé Èíäèàíà Äæîíñ, òàê êàê äîëæåí áûë èññëåäîâàòü âñå óãîëêè è çàêîóëêè ðàäè ëþáîãî ñïåöèàëüíîãî ìàòåðèàëà. Íî ýòè àëüáîìû ÿ ñëûøàë òîëüêî ðàç, è ïåñíè, êàê “Your Sweet 666” – ñêàçàòü ÷åñòíî, ýòî óáèâàåò ìåíÿ. Ìû ïîñòîÿííî èãðàåì åå æèâüåì. È, âîçâðàùàÿñü ê ïåðâûì àëüáîìàì, âñå, ÷òî ÿ ñëûøó ýòî îøèáêè. Òàê æå ÿ äîëæåí èõ ñëóøàòü êàê àíàëèòèê, è ÿ äîëæåí áûë ñëóøàòü ìàñòåðîâ, ÷òîáû óáåäèòüñÿ â èõ òåõíè÷åñêîé êîððåêòíîñòè. È ïîòîìó ÷òî åñòü íåêîòîðûå õëîïîòû ñî ñæàòèåì äëÿ âèíèëà, è ÿ íå ñëûøàë îêîí÷àòåëüíûõ ñîêðàùåíèé, ïîýòîìó äåðæó ïàëüöû ñêðåùåííûìè, è, ãîòîâ ñòàòü ñèëüíûì, åñëè îíè íå îêàæóòñÿ ïðàâèëüíûìè. Íî ÿ óâåðåí, ÷òî âûéäåò õîðîøî.
A:ß ñëûøàë Áýì Ìàðäæåðà, îí ñíèìàë êëèïû HIM â ýïîõó Love Metal è ïîääåðæèâàë HIM, êîãäà âû âïåðâûå ïðèåõàëè â Àìåðèêó, ðàçìåñòèë ïüÿíîå âèäåî ñ íàïûùåííîé ðå÷üþ, ñâîåîáðàçíîå ïîñëàíèå ê òåáå, íî çàòåì óäàëèë.
V:Äà, ÿ ñëûøàë îá ýòîì. Íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî áûëî. Ýòî áûëî êàê ïüÿíûå âûÿñíåíèÿ îòíîøåíèé òèïà “Ïî÷åìó ìû íå ìîæåì áûòü äðóçüÿìè?” Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ÿ âèäåë Áýìà ëåòîì, ìû èãðàëè íà îäíîì ôåñòèâàëå ëåòîì â Àíãëèè, è îí áûë õîðîø. Íîâàê áûë òàì. Áûëî ïðèÿòíî ïîñèäåòü, òàê êàê ó íàñ ñîâñåì íå áûëî âðåìåíè. Áýì áûë â Èñëàíäèè äîëãîå âðåìÿ, ðàáîòàë íàä ñâîèì ìàòåðèàëîì. Ìû ãàñòðîëèðîâàëè, è íàøè ïóòè ñîâñåì íå ïåðåñåêàëèñü, òàê ÷òî çà ïîñëåäíèå ïÿòü ëåò ìû âèäåëèñü òîëüêî òðè èëè ÷åòûðå ðàçà. Ìû ïðèâûêëè áûòü êàê áðàòüÿ è òóñîâàòüñÿ âñå âðåìÿ. Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî ýòî ñòðàííî, íî ýòî â î÷åðåäíîé ðàç ïîêàçûâàåò, êàê æèçíü îòíîñèòñÿ ê òåáå. ß íå ðàçî÷àðîâàí è íå âîëíóþñü îá ýòîì. Áûëî çäîðîâî óâèäåòü åãî ñíîâà. Ìîæåò, îí áóäåò ãäå-òî ïîáëèçîñòè âî âðåìÿ íàøåãî òóðà, è ó íàñ áóäåò âîçìîæíîñòü ïîçäîðîâàòüñÿ è çàâèñíóòü.
A:Âû ïëàíèðóåòå ðàáîòàòü íàä íîâûì àëüáîìîì â íà÷àëå ñëåäóþùåãî ãîäà, ïîñëå òîãî êàê îòäîõíåòå îò òóðà. ß ïðåäâêóøàþ, êàêèì ìîæåò áûòü âàø ñëåäóþùèé àëüáîì è, äóìàþ, áûëî áû êðóòî ñäåëàòü ÷òî-òî ðàäèêàëüíî íîâîå. HIM, î÷åâèäíî, èìåþò îïðåäåëåííîå çâó÷àíèå, êîòîðîå ðåàëüíî íðàâèòñÿ ëþäÿì, íî â òî æå âðåìÿ òû ðàáîòàåøü ñî âñåìè – îò ôèíñêèõ ôîëê-ìóçûêàíòîâ è ïîï-àðòèñòîâ äî áëýê-ìåòàë ãðóïï. Ìíå èíòåðåñíî, êàêîå âëèÿíèå ýòî îêàæåò íà àëüáîì. Òû áåñïîêîèøüñÿ î òîì, ÷òî ýòî ìîæåò äàëåêî îòîéòè îò ïðèâû÷íîãî äëÿ âàñ çâó÷àíèÿ?
V:Íåò, ÿ äóìàþ, âñå ðîê-ãðóïïû õîòÿò çàïèñàòü ñâîé Back In Black(*àëüáîì AC/DC), ÷òî-òî èäåàëüíîå è ãîâîðÿùåå â íåñêîëüêèõ àêêîðäàõ è ýëåìåíòàõ âñå, ÷òî âû õîòèòå ñêàçàòü î ðîê-ìóçûêå è ÷åì òàì åùå. Èäåàëüíûé àëüáîì îáî âñåì, ÷òî òû ïûòàåøüñÿ ñîáðàòü âìåñòå. Ìû èùåì èäåàëüíóþ ïåñíþ, ñîçäàííóþ èäåàëüíûì ïóòåì äëÿ ñàìèõ ñåáÿ, ÷òîáû ïðèâíåñòè ñâîþ èäåíòè÷íîñòü êàê èíäèâèäóàëüíî, òàê è ãðóïïîé. ß äóìàþ, ìû äî ñèõ ïîð â ïîèñêå. Love Metal áûë äîñòàòî÷íî áëèçîê, è åñòü î÷åíü èíòåðåñíûå âåùè î êàæäîì èç àëüáîìîâ. Áûëî áû íåïëîõî ñäåëàòü àëüáîì, êîòîðûé áûë áû áîëåå ãðóáûì, áîëåå æèâûì, ïàíêîâûì. Ðåáÿòà èç ãðóïïû äåéñòâèòåëüíî õîðîøî èãðàþò.
V:Ïîìíèøü Jane’s Addiction – ïåðâûé àëüáîì áûë íàïîëîâèíó ñòóäèéíûì, íàïîëîâèíó æèâûì. Ìíîãèå ãðóïïû áûëè âûíóæäåíû òàê äåëàòü â 70õ. Íèë ßíã òîæå. Òû ïîëó÷àåøü íåâåðîÿòíóþ àòìîñôåðó â òå÷åíèå êîíöåðòà è çàïèñûâàåòå âñå âûñòóïëåíèÿ â òóðå, ÷òîáû ïîñëå âûÿñíèòü, â êàêîé èç âå÷åðîâ ïåñíè äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñðàáîòàëè. Çàòåì ìîæåøü çàïèñàòü áýê-âîêàë ïîâåðõó. Ýòî êàê Ôðàíêåíøòåéí – íå æèâàÿ è íå ñòóäèéíàÿ âåùü, à ÷òî-òî ìåæäó. Êîãäà ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñðàáàòûâàåò, òû ïîëó÷àåøü ëó÷øåå èç îáîèõ ìèðîâ – ïîëó÷àåøü óñëàäó äëÿ óõà è èçÿùåñòâî îò ñòóäèéíîé çàïèñè, è â òî æå âðåìÿ ãðóáîñòü, ïàíê è ñîïëè ïî ëèöó, òî, ÷åãî íå ìîæåøü äîáèòüñÿ â ñòóäèè. ×òî-òî ïîäîáíîå áûëî áû ÷óäîì. Íå çíàþ, êàê áû ëþäè îòðåàãèðîâàëè, íî, â êîíöå êîíöîâ, âñå ëþáÿò èãðàòü â ðóññêóþ ðóëåòêó.
HIM âûñòóïÿò â Webster Hall â NYC 9 äåêàáðÿ è â Starland Ballroom â Ñàéðåâèëëå, Íüþ Äæåðñè 11 äåêàáðÿ. Ïîäðîáíîñòè íà heartagram.com.
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